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let's add the name of susan rice to this discussion. because i think we might not even be having this discussion had he picked susan rice and had she had a better shot at being confirmed. a lot of progressives are still upset he didn't fight for her like he's going to have to fight for hagel. i want to leave that question aside. i don't think it has to do with gender. if he got his way, he didn't tell me he wanted to pick her, but had he been able to appoint susan rice, this might be a different picture. we might not even be talking about it. >> who did he pass over that could have met the quality test year? you don't have to be exactly the same as john kerry, but in that league. this is what i think you're pointing out about bringing up the farm team. >> who is it actually? >> all the press, all the guys on the right now are saying flournoy. i don't know her. >> i don't know her either but i'm told she's terrific. >> her resume is dynamite. >> and would have been a great choice. but again, you bring people up and they develop a public
let's add the name of susan rice to this discussion. because i think we might not even be having this discussion had he picked susan rice and had she had a better shot at being confirmed. a lot of progressives are still upset he didn't fight for her like he's going to have to fight for hagel. i want to leave that question aside. i don't think it has to do with gender. if he got his way, he didn't tell me he wanted to pick her, but had he been able to appoint susan rice, this might be a...
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susan rice is a long-time friend and ally of the president whose name was floated very early on as a favorite for secretary of state. ultimately, though, before anybody was nominated for the position, the white house sort of backed down from the prospect of nominating her. they allowed her to take her name out of the running when republicans attacked her for the grave, grave crime of saying something wrong on sunday morning talk shows. something that by the way turned out to be mostly correct. but never mind, they criticized her anyway, and the white house did not back her up in the face of that criticism, and her name was removed from consideration. now, faced with another high profile nominee who has attracted loud republican nomination, this time it appears the white house is not backing down. this time president obama has officially nominated chuck hagel to be secretary of defense as of today. interestingly, another potential nominee for a big high profile national security job for this white house who president obama reportedly initially wanted, but who also backed off from was
susan rice is a long-time friend and ally of the president whose name was floated very early on as a favorite for secretary of state. ultimately, though, before anybody was nominated for the position, the white house sort of backed down from the prospect of nominating her. they allowed her to take her name out of the running when republicans attacked her for the grave, grave crime of saying something wrong on sunday morning talk shows. something that by the way turned out to be mostly correct....
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he was willing to take on susan rice for a while. that one ended up getting too difficult and she stepped aside but the president's got an attitude of i've been vindicated by the election and the record in the first term. i got bin laden, i wound down wars unpopular and he has a -- is looking at republicans and saying, you guys were smack talking me for a couple of years and you had the tea party in 2010 and you thought i was back on my heels but i've just been vindicated by the voters in the election with 51% and i'm going to try to impose my will as much as i can. >> chuck hagel and john kerry, the politico today, their headline story, points to how formidable these two might be for many reasons but, again, both being vietnam veterans and how this could with the president's agenda and strategy set the stage for wars in the future or the avoid answer of military footprint on the ground and the years ahead, john. >> well, i think to some degree the latter, tamron, is the relevant point here. the term vietnam veteran brings with it th
he was willing to take on susan rice for a while. that one ended up getting too difficult and she stepped aside but the president's got an attitude of i've been vindicated by the election and the record in the first term. i got bin laden, i wound down wars unpopular and he has a -- is looking at republicans and saying, you guys were smack talking me for a couple of years and you had the tea party in 2010 and you thought i was back on my heels but i've just been vindicated by the voters in the...
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they all but nominated kerry them when beating up on susan rice. it would be heart to double back on him now. >> john: somewhere scott brown is washing his truck. charles pierce, so great to have you on the program. >> thanks, john, i appreciate it. >> john: thank you, for now on what president obama hopes to accomplish in his second temperature i'm happy to be joined by current tv correspondent david shuster and eric boehlert scene fellow with media matters for america. what does he have a better chance of pushing through. >> i think he has a greater chance on gun control and charles was right. it will make the heads explode on the right and make banning assault weapons closing gun show loops holes would seem reasonable. i think that sets the president up in a pretty good negotiating position. >> john: what track record do you think he'll be willing to ruffle executive orders. >> the haguethe hagueel,the republicans made it clear they didn't want chuck hagel. the president said here is my republican. beat him up. go show america that they won't ev
they all but nominated kerry them when beating up on susan rice. it would be heart to double back on him now. >> john: somewhere scott brown is washing his truck. charles pierce, so great to have you on the program. >> thanks, john, i appreciate it. >> john: thank you, for now on what president obama hopes to accomplish in his second temperature i'm happy to be joined by current tv correspondent david shuster and eric boehlert scene fellow with media matters for america. what...
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. >> it should be noted that susan rice was really president obama's probably first choice. >> so blame john mccain for these problems. >> they did push back, actually. they released a picture after the "new york times" put that picture out of all these men advising the president on the budget, and they put out another picture just yesterday of a bunch of the senior women staffers in the white house -- valerie jarrett, lissa -- nancy andrew parrell, who is a chief of staff, and number of other women. it's not true that he is surrounded by men. voo. >> there is another diversity issue that has not to do with gender or race or ethnicity, but diversity of opinion, and one of the things that i'm interested in, for example, in the treasury secretary position, jack lew, you know, this is somebody who is a safe pair of hands. it's somebody who is not going to rock the boat, and i wonder if that doesn't represent kind of the hunkering down economically in a way kind of a saying, you know, we're not going to take on any new big topics. we're going to have to be battling the same -- >> you interp
. >> it should be noted that susan rice was really president obama's probably first choice. >> so blame john mccain for these problems. >> they did push back, actually. they released a picture after the "new york times" put that picture out of all these men advising the president on the budget, and they put out another picture just yesterday of a bunch of the senior women staffers in the white house -- valerie jarrett, lissa -- nancy andrew parrell, who is a chief of...
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you know, he backed away from the susan rice pick. he gave in on taxing the top income earners at the rate he wanted. and so far he's really just tiptoed kind of cautiously around gun control. so this a confident obama based on the agenda you're seeing or a caution one? >> reporter: focusing on foreign policy, i think you'd have to say this is a confident president obama right now. just consider the selections of chuck hagel, john kerry, even though it's not susan rice, but also john brennan compared to four years ago. jim jones did not work out. there was secretary gates at defense that was brought over from the bush administration before him. and so i think in many ways this sort of demonstrates that the president feels he'll put his imprint on foreign policy going forward from him. hillary clinton a choice that some may have viewed as a concession of secretary of state and worked out well for both sides. >> david, you know, chuck hagel has gotten some opposition from the left and the right. do you expect in a second term now electe
you know, he backed away from the susan rice pick. he gave in on taxing the top income earners at the rate he wanted. and so far he's really just tiptoed kind of cautiously around gun control. so this a confident obama based on the agenda you're seeing or a caution one? >> reporter: focusing on foreign policy, i think you'd have to say this is a confident president obama right now. just consider the selections of chuck hagel, john kerry, even though it's not susan rice, but also john...
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i see the way he abandoned susan rice not the deal with it and they don't want to burn political capital on the bandwidth, but hagel will be okay, and there is going to be a lot of hue and cry, but i don't believe he will be abandoned. >> and what about susan rice to have this fight with hagel and brought up a whole set of concerns here whether or not the president's second ed administration is going to be less diverse than the first administration. we heard carney response sponding to the the claims earlier this week. >> well, janet napolitano is the secretary of homeland security, an cabinet level and the ambassador is susan rice, and this president has made two appointments to the supreme court, and both of them women. his commitment to dwsh. >> do you believe it is an unfair sgharnlg. >> well, the record speaks for itself. >> it is a good point and bad point, because when you can list the women on your hand, there are not enough women, like -- >> get a binder. >> i have a whole handful of women, and that alone makes you go, no, no, wrong answer, like, right, don't start naming them,
i see the way he abandoned susan rice not the deal with it and they don't want to burn political capital on the bandwidth, but hagel will be okay, and there is going to be a lot of hue and cry, but i don't believe he will be abandoned. >> and what about susan rice to have this fight with hagel and brought up a whole set of concerns here whether or not the president's second ed administration is going to be less diverse than the first administration. we heard carney response sponding to...
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so john kerry not susan rice. earlier this week, the president announcing that former republican senator chuck hagel was his pick to be the next secretary of defense. so chuck hagel and not, say, michelle flournoy, the very highly regarded undersecretary of defense for policy. no word yet on who president obama has in mind to be his next secretary of labor, but hilda solis announced just this afternoon that she has handed in her resignation. that's another woman gone from the cabinet. the white house going out of its way to stress today right after the solis announcement exactly who in the cabinet plans to stay on at the start of the president's second term. they led their list with health secretary kathleen sebelius. earlier tried to press down on the lack of diversity in the cabinet. >>> the u.s. ambassador to the united nations is susan rice. again, this president has made two appointments to the supreme court, both of them women. and i think that his commitment -- >> you think that it is an unfair charge? >> w
so john kerry not susan rice. earlier this week, the president announcing that former republican senator chuck hagel was his pick to be the next secretary of defense. so chuck hagel and not, say, michelle flournoy, the very highly regarded undersecretary of defense for policy. no word yet on who president obama has in mind to be his next secretary of labor, but hilda solis announced just this afternoon that she has handed in her resignation. that's another woman gone from the cabinet. the white...
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he didn't work for susan rice. we don't know what she knew about security. spinning a story afterwards. jay carney, how credulous they are about the story. carney, the highly politicized issue. not political if you ask the administration to explain what happened. what happened during the hours? what about the solution is that as a close advisor to the president on terrorism, what was the president engaged in, in the seven hours in what did brennan know? what did he tell the president? were orders >> i were they carried out? there is so much unknown here. i'm not surprised we have let go the only suspect. we know the leader of the attack was a certain, katala. seen a few days later in a coffee shop outside benghazi. he remains unmolested to benghazi today. the administration wants to pretend it's political. it's not. it's to seek out what happened. >> bret: the other thing that this potentially does in the context of this hearing on brennan is open up the door to al-qaeda. the strength of al-qaeda in the region. strength that perhaps it's stronger than the ad
he didn't work for susan rice. we don't know what she knew about security. spinning a story afterwards. jay carney, how credulous they are about the story. carney, the highly politicized issue. not political if you ask the administration to explain what happened. what happened during the hours? what about the solution is that as a close advisor to the president on terrorism, what was the president engaged in, in the seven hours in what did brennan know? what did he tell the president? were...
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so susan rice i think will continue to do the job the way she's done it. i suspect if tom donelan ever moves on that susan rice would be a leading contender for that job and have the ability to do what tom donelan has done, which is to consolidate an enormous amount of authority and decision making. >> is there an emerging-- you may have touched on this at the top, david-- obama doctrine that might come out of this next four years? >> well, if the doctrine in the first four years, charlie, was that the united states will act unilaterally when its direct interests are affected-- think of the bin laden raid-- but that it will only act in concert with others when its interests are far more general-- think of the libya invasion where the president insisted that nato and the arab league take the lead, or think about syria where everyone has been pretty well paralyzed for the past year and a half nearly two years now-- then the president has insisted that the u.s. will not act as the policemen of the world. and when i suggested that that light footprint strategy
so susan rice i think will continue to do the job the way she's done it. i suspect if tom donelan ever moves on that susan rice would be a leading contender for that job and have the ability to do what tom donelan has done, which is to consolidate an enormous amount of authority and decision making. >> is there an emerging-- you may have touched on this at the top, david-- obama doctrine that might come out of this next four years? >> well, if the doctrine in the first four years,...
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, which is they areotology have this fight, the issue with susan rice is benghazi. that ties back to the president and hillary clinton. there is -- it's not a perfect scenario. whereas here it's you're opposing hagel and that has nothing do with me. >> susan rice went to the hill, and it did not go well. there was some sort of a dry run, and it did not go well, and there's some sense that she took herself out of the nomination as well. we can't with stand this. how much do you think hagel's comments about richard hormel, i believe, who was going to serve as the u.s. ambassador to lucks emberg and questioned his sexuality. that drew ayre from the left. chad griffin from the human rights campaign said the -- >> accept the apology. >> he has accepted the apology, as has hormel on his facebook page. you know, you mentioned that he is facing, you know, criticism from both the left and the right. >> yeah. >> how much do you think that stands in the way of a confirmation? >> you know, interestingly enough today you have a full page ad from log cabin republicans opposing ch
, which is they areotology have this fight, the issue with susan rice is benghazi. that ties back to the president and hillary clinton. there is -- it's not a perfect scenario. whereas here it's you're opposing hagel and that has nothing do with me. >> susan rice went to the hill, and it did not go well. there was some sort of a dry run, and it did not go well, and there's some sense that she took herself out of the nomination as well. we can't with stand this. how much do you think...
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if he picks susan rice? guest: there was an interview, and i think that had those simultaneously been going on, susan rice would have deflected some of the attention. other nominations, like john brennan, which is controversial in some comment -- in some quarters, and john kerry -- i was the on the want to have written about this two years ago, because i had conversations with them about my own view is that at the time we will still pursuing -- part of the defense department, and trying to purge them from military service. this is one that they were attempting to sort out. it had not been repealed yet, and hagel made his opinion very clear. i have since talked to him about this. and the ambassador has greatly accepted his apology, and in addition, senator hagel says he strongly supports lgbt families, and he has gone beyond this, like on abortion, and one of the things we do not talk about is violence towards women and women in uniform in the military, rapes at the academy, and a senator passed an amendment
if he picks susan rice? guest: there was an interview, and i think that had those simultaneously been going on, susan rice would have deflected some of the attention. other nominations, like john brennan, which is controversial in some comment -- in some quarters, and john kerry -- i was the on the want to have written about this two years ago, because i had conversations with them about my own view is that at the time we will still pursuing -- part of the defense department, and trying to...
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david axelrod wanted me to say -- i think this is fair -- about susan rice. he said i never said -- never said that the president had never considered susan rice, said he had considered her, but he had just never heard that that was his choice. so -- >> i had heard he really wanted her for the position and really considering her from other people. but, you know what, since you bring it up, we love this show. we had a great heated conversation at the top of the 6:00 about -- numbers of -- >> binders. >> about the numbers of women serving in the president's cabin cabinet. i actually have a list of high-ranking women in the white house. but i'm going to hold that. >> good, read that. >> you know what -- there are good points to be made on both sides of this. this is one of the biggest arguments we ever had. some of the bigger ones, torture -- you were right on that. >> wrong on that one. >> i will say i did use a bad word perfect tank you and i'm very sorry about that because you are not chauvinistic. of all the people that work here at msnbc, you are not a chau
david axelrod wanted me to say -- i think this is fair -- about susan rice. he said i never said -- never said that the president had never considered susan rice, said he had considered her, but he had just never heard that that was his choice. so -- >> i had heard he really wanted her for the position and really considering her from other people. but, you know what, since you bring it up, we love this show. we had a great heated conversation at the top of the 6:00 about -- numbers of --...
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ambassador to the united nations is susan rice. you know, again, i could go through the list. this president has appointed -- has made two appointments to the supreme court both of them women. i think that his commitment to -- >> do you think it's an unfair charge? >> i think that the record speaks for itself. >> the record does speak for itself, doesn't it? joining me now for our daily fix, chris alissa, msnbc contributor managing editor of post politics.com, msnbc's white house correspondent kristen welker and washington post opinion columnist ruth marcus. ruth, i got to start with you because of the headline writers on your column -- >> thank you very much. copy desk. >> the headline was? >> binders full of women. >> beaninders full of women. what is going on here? that is the question that a lot of people are asking. >> it doesn't look so attractive. no disrespect to the looks of it. men involved. i am not a fan of bean counting and counting up numbers of women and numbers of minorities, but it is striking and it is disconcerting and it is disappointing to see in the big f
ambassador to the united nations is susan rice. you know, again, i could go through the list. this president has appointed -- has made two appointments to the supreme court both of them women. i think that his commitment to -- >> do you think it's an unfair charge? >> i think that the record speaks for itself. >> the record does speak for itself, doesn't it? joining me now for our daily fix, chris alissa, msnbc contributor managing editor of post politics.com, msnbc's white...
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if he had picked susan rice? guest: i think that is the case it would be. it could be too tough fights. i helped host one of the meetings were lindsey graham and john mccain made very clear their views on susan rice. the moderator cut the president's response and have those simultaneously been going on, susan rice would have deflected a lot of the attention from this hagel nomination. now other nominations, like john brennan, which is controversial in some quarters, and john kerry are getting less attention. i would like to comment on the gay rights. i was the only journalist who happened to have written about chuck hagel's views on gay issues years ago because i had conversations with him about my own views that at the time we were still pursuing translators working in intelligence agencies and the defense department and trying to purge them from military service. i had a discussion with him about that and about and don't ask, don't tell. they were attempting to sort out how you would sort through. hagel made clear his support for repealing don't ask, don'
if he had picked susan rice? guest: i think that is the case it would be. it could be too tough fights. i helped host one of the meetings were lindsey graham and john mccain made very clear their views on susan rice. the moderator cut the president's response and have those simultaneously been going on, susan rice would have deflected a lot of the attention from this hagel nomination. now other nominations, like john brennan, which is controversial in some quarters, and john kerry are getting...
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they were able to ding him by denying him the choice of susan rice, the u.n. ambassador to be the president's next secretary of state. they view going after chuck hagel as being one more notch in this crazy war against the president when a lot of people in the country want congress to focus not so much on chuck hagel as they want them to focus on what's happening with sequester and the budget and debt ceiling and other things that have direct impacts on people's lives. from a policy standpoint, does this come down to bush era neocon, that reminds them that he opposed the war. >> he did oppose the surge. for republicans this is about somebody whom they disagree with on policy and never liked that much in the senate because he wasn't the kind of senator that had a lot of friends, that played the relationship game at a high level. and so it's not like he has solid friendships that can help republican members of the senate who serve with him overlook their policy disagreements with him. ultimately, i expect senator hagel to tell members -- to tell the senate and t
they were able to ding him by denying him the choice of susan rice, the u.n. ambassador to be the president's next secretary of state. they view going after chuck hagel as being one more notch in this crazy war against the president when a lot of people in the country want congress to focus not so much on chuck hagel as they want them to focus on what's happening with sequester and the budget and debt ceiling and other things that have direct impacts on people's lives. from a policy standpoint,...
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we thought it was susan rice for secretary of state. not surprising for a president who won an election to decide to pick one or two big personnel fights. that happens in politics. think think -- the white house calculation, jim's dead right about the iraq war. if we have to re-debate the iraq war, they're on the high ground for that one and hearing criticism he's soft. normally when a democrat does that, they want someone that's tough because the criticism historically is they're soft on defense and here's a republican choice labeled as soft, soft on israel and soft coming to iran sanctions. john mccain and other conservatives say soft with the end of the iraq war and the president's comfortable with him and comfortable with the new cia chief. the president doesn't have to face re-election. this is the second term a different set of calculations and thinks he has work to do, diplomacy. they think they'll win in the end. >> i want to ask you about hagel's israel comments because he made some pretty pointed comments about israel and goin
we thought it was susan rice for secretary of state. not surprising for a president who won an election to decide to pick one or two big personnel fights. that happens in politics. think think -- the white house calculation, jim's dead right about the iraq war. if we have to re-debate the iraq war, they're on the high ground for that one and hearing criticism he's soft. normally when a democrat does that, they want someone that's tough because the criticism historically is they're soft on...
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he wanted susan rice as secretary of state. >> u.n. ambassador. >> u.n. ambassador, and she was heavily criticized by various others and she withdrew her name and i think he was simply determined that he wasn't going to be pushed around again, that he was going to pick hagel and also he has a friendship with hagel that goes back. >> paul: to the senate days. >> for several years so i think it -- a lot of these decisions aren't just simply ideological or policy decisions, there's a personality. >> paul: do you think he wants a fight? >> i think he's had a fight, probably fight that he thinks he can win and calling over to the senate and house both. what is striking to me as well, hagel doesn't have experience in what he's tasked to do, running the pentagon. president obama involves we're not getting involved in syria or push too hard, his main job is to run pentagon. >> he was enlisted in vietnam, and distinguished service, two purple hearts and knows what it's like to be an enlisted man and fighting on the ground and have those people foremost in his mind
he wanted susan rice as secretary of state. >> u.n. ambassador. >> u.n. ambassador, and she was heavily criticized by various others and she withdrew her name and i think he was simply determined that he wasn't going to be pushed around again, that he was going to pick hagel and also he has a friendship with hagel that goes back. >> paul: to the senate days. >> for several years so i think it -- a lot of these decisions aren't just simply ideological or policy decisions,...
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you have people wondering why not take up the fight for susan rice and how are the dynamics different? >> as chuck todd pointed out, there are as many as ten different democratic senators opposed to chuck hagel and it's going to be up to the white house to wage a significant campaign using some democrats like senator jack reid from rhode island to win them over. the white house probably decided that they needed to go ahead and fight for chuck hagel in this matter. i've heard from the white house that the susan rice and john kerry were pretty much tied folks going in to that state department gig. president obama going with john kerry but you are seeing the white house going for a full throttled fight to get and to win chuck hagel and not going to be easy. >> mark murray, thank you so much. happy new year. see you tomorrow. >> thanks. >>> another group that's voiced opposition to chuck hagel's nomination is gay rights activists. at issue, comments hagel made in 1998 about james hor mel, president bill clinton's nomi e nominee. he was called openly aggressively gay and called it an inhib
you have people wondering why not take up the fight for susan rice and how are the dynamics different? >> as chuck todd pointed out, there are as many as ten different democratic senators opposed to chuck hagel and it's going to be up to the white house to wage a significant campaign using some democrats like senator jack reid from rhode island to win them over. the white house probably decided that they needed to go ahead and fight for chuck hagel in this matter. i've heard from the...
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susan rice from becoming secretary of state. i have great regard for senator hagel and i think he's a great choice. jack lew, women qualified for the positions? absolutely. >> do you believe that there is some meeting happens right now to try to appropriately deal with this? i mean, no one wants the job just based on the gender or color. you want to say i earned my way in this and we know the realities of doors opened and closed in our nation's past to women, to people of color. do you think given the situation, the exposure there's serious talk behind the scenes at the white house? >> absolutely. i think that's right. there's some serious talk about how to fill out the rest of the cabinet. you saw the white house rush to essentially say, hey, wait a minute, we have the folks staying. holder and sebelius but to me in some ways they weren't in tune to this initially going in to this and only speaks to the lack ofdy rersty. no one in that room to say, listen, maybe we have a problem with the optics with rolling out all of these wh
susan rice from becoming secretary of state. i have great regard for senator hagel and i think he's a great choice. jack lew, women qualified for the positions? absolutely. >> do you believe that there is some meeting happens right now to try to appropriately deal with this? i mean, no one wants the job just based on the gender or color. you want to say i earned my way in this and we know the realities of doors opened and closed in our nation's past to women, to people of color. do you...
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he's choosing the fight over hagel, in part i'm sure because he gave up on susan rice. why didn't he do it for her? >> it's possible he never was for susan the way others were. there really was a split in that white house. >> it looked like it had touched a personal cord with him when she was being criticized. may be separate from whether he wanted her for the job. i think the attitude is what's driving this on hagel. and i think his comfort level, his knowledge that if he's going to deal with defense budget cuts, he wants a republican in there. i'm not sure as andrea mitchell has pointed out that having somebody who seems to have such a difficult relationship with republicans is the best one to lead that fight. >> well, no, it is sort of the idea in what's in practice seemed to be two different things. watching republican reaction here. so jeff sessions, senator from alabama, says he's going to put a hold on jack lew. lindsey graham says he's going to put a hold on john brennan. are they going to have to say guys, you have to pick one. you can't fight them all because
he's choosing the fight over hagel, in part i'm sure because he gave up on susan rice. why didn't he do it for her? >> it's possible he never was for susan the way others were. there really was a split in that white house. >> it looked like it had touched a personal cord with him when she was being criticized. may be separate from whether he wanted her for the job. i think the attitude is what's driving this on hagel. and i think his comfort level, his knowledge that if he's going...
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very much against susan rice. i find it hard to believe mccain's going to be against chuck hagel, given the kind of bonds that they have. >> chuck hagel was against john mccain in 2008. >> i'm not saying they weren't against each other on policy matters. we're talking about a confirmation here. >> didn't he endorse barack obama? >> i think he spoke favorably of him. >> i don't think he endorsed him. >> unofficial surrogate. >> again, this is a confirmation hearing where the senate dgives deference to the president. mcconnell, around this "politico" story with quotes from mcconnell's farewell speech to hagel where he points out that hagel saved mcconnell's brother in vietnam, so we're not really sure. and singing his praises. >> that's only in the movie version. >> it's going to be hard for mcconnell to oppose him vocally here. >> that kind of sums everything up because if you watched yesterday's "meet the press," i mean, all this talk last week about the president's personality being difficult and unapproachable a
very much against susan rice. i find it hard to believe mccain's going to be against chuck hagel, given the kind of bonds that they have. >> chuck hagel was against john mccain in 2008. >> i'm not saying they weren't against each other on policy matters. we're talking about a confirmation here. >> didn't he endorse barack obama? >> i think he spoke favorably of him. >> i don't think he endorsed him. >> unofficial surrogate. >> again, this is a...
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. >> john: before we go to break do we expect a fight with susan rice. he must have known that this would have come with chuck hagel. >> yes, joe mentioned this. this will drive a wedge in the republican party. there is not only a realist perspective in the republican party in terms of foreign policy and a neo-con one but there is a growing isolationist in the republican party and this fracture is about republican coalition. in that regard i think there is an opportunity for a fight. at the end of the day this appeals to sort of i think in many respects president obama's favorite constituency, which is the beltway media. this idea bipartisanship and this notion of having a republican sort of daddy figure in some respects filling this role is very appeal to go part of the beltway media. so i think this is--to the extent that this is going to be a fight, i think it's one that he's looking forward to. >> john: if hagel is the daddy figure then the nominee is the cheney figure. the c.i.a. boss is the same as the old c.i.a. boss coming up next. [ male announc
. >> john: before we go to break do we expect a fight with susan rice. he must have known that this would have come with chuck hagel. >> yes, joe mentioned this. this will drive a wedge in the republican party. there is not only a realist perspective in the republican party in terms of foreign policy and a neo-con one but there is a growing isolationist in the republican party and this fracture is about republican coalition. in that regard i think there is an opportunity for a...
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john mccain has been a politician drought his career driven by personal grudges -- >> like susan rice? >> yes. that was another case part of what was driving him. in this case, i do think part of what he would say, if he were here, back to the policy point, there's no greater champion of the iraq war and surge and everything that happened after that than john mccain was and no greater critic of that than republican chuck hagel. he would make the case it is not just a personal thing although i believe part of it is personal and this element they do have very different world views now. >> which is why the confirmation hearing and his answers will be that much more critical than earlier. >> they also, as you mentioned, harold, reservations from democrats with members of the party stopping short of offering hagel a full throated endorsement. senator chuck schumer of new york released a statement reading in part quote chuck hagel has earned the right to nothing less than a full and fair process in the senate. i look forward to fully studying his record and exploring his views. at the white
john mccain has been a politician drought his career driven by personal grudges -- >> like susan rice? >> yes. that was another case part of what was driving him. in this case, i do think part of what he would say, if he were here, back to the policy point, there's no greater champion of the iraq war and surge and everything that happened after that than john mccain was and no greater critic of that than republican chuck hagel. he would make the case it is not just a personal thing...
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ambassador susan rice. the fact is, secretary hillary clinton was the most prominent woman in the president's ka cabinet. she is being replaced by a man, senator kerry. as of now, there are fewer women in the mix. >> brianna, thanks very much. kate bolduan is here with more. what are you hearing about the timing? >> the timing in terms of the confirmation hearing, i'm told that the armed services committee hopes to consider hagel's nomination by the end of this month but simply schedulewise, it could be difficult because the senate isn't in session this week or next and when senators do return, it's customary for the nominee to have a period of time, a week, a couple weeks to meet with can committee members before and key senators before confirmation hearings begin. for more on a little bit of this, we'll go to tom foreman with a sense of what we can expect when those hearings are under way. tom, you're in a place that no one gets to go. >> that's right. here in our virtual center, we're going to talk about
ambassador susan rice. the fact is, secretary hillary clinton was the most prominent woman in the president's ka cabinet. she is being replaced by a man, senator kerry. as of now, there are fewer women in the mix. >> brianna, thanks very much. kate bolduan is here with more. what are you hearing about the timing? >> the timing in terms of the confirmation hearing, i'm told that the armed services committee hopes to consider hagel's nomination by the end of this month but simply...
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yeah, please do that after you fought against susan rice. and please -- >> you ask why there aren't women in the inner circle. >> and by the way, there's going to be a gun debate coming up. and if republicans take an extremist stance and instead of fighting for handguns and fighting for the right to keep and bear, you know, hunting weapons and the right to keep and bear arms, instead fight for these massive clips, these high-capacity magazine clips and assault weapons, 2014, you've put all of this stuff together, jon meacham, 2014 is going to be a rough year for the republican party. i said '12 was moving them toward wig status. if they continue to be the party of extreme ideas and extreme factions instead of the party of balanced budgets, the party of less taxes, the party of less regulation, the party of more economic freedom, then they're going to get -- seriously, they are going to move one step closer to political oblivion. >> yeah. i still think it's really important to look at the analogy of the democratic party which spent so much ti
yeah, please do that after you fought against susan rice. and please -- >> you ask why there aren't women in the inner circle. >> and by the way, there's going to be a gun debate coming up. and if republicans take an extremist stance and instead of fighting for handguns and fighting for the right to keep and bear, you know, hunting weapons and the right to keep and bear arms, instead fight for these massive clips, these high-capacity magazine clips and assault weapons, 2014, you've...
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having lost susan rice. host: gary schmitt and steve clemons. good morning, democrats line. caller: i am a text that ryan and i support chuck hagel 100%. i do not know why our leaders have to vetted by israel. they have not been rational at all. any time somebody says anything about israel, the first thing they are labeled as anti- semitic. host: this is from the hearing that took place back in 1998. the secretary of state in the clinton administration. it is a broad overview of the middle east in the effort -- in the arab world -- [video clip] >> i have just come back from a lot of the gulf states. i came back with the following set of impressions. first of all, they are very concerned about what is going on in iraq. they understand that the problems of weapons of mass destruction and the fact that they do threaten them, that it is less visible than a cross border threat. second, they are fully convinced that this crisis has been created by saddam hussein. they are concerned about the iraqi people. which is why we support this oil for feud plan -- oil for food plan. they pr
having lost susan rice. host: gary schmitt and steve clemons. good morning, democrats line. caller: i am a text that ryan and i support chuck hagel 100%. i do not know why our leaders have to vetted by israel. they have not been rational at all. any time somebody says anything about israel, the first thing they are labeled as anti- semitic. host: this is from the hearing that took place back in 1998. the secretary of state in the clinton administration. it is a broad overview of the middle east...
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but that's part of what sunk susan rice and making the hague el issue much more complicated. we have to just put a name out and rather than floating them for weeks. >> gives democrats a chance to get in there. doubly hurtful. i hope that chuck hagel is asked why he refused to designate hezbollah as a terrorist organization. >>> while we're on the topic of the president's cabinet, secretary of state hillary clinton back at work today. she was out for almost a month with a stomach bug and then fell and got a concussion and doctors discovered a blood clot in her head. there's pics of the first day back. they even gave her a football helmet with the state department logo. because, of course, washington a contact sport. we threw our picks on our facebook page and they're generating great responses. the facebook friend raz lemons says, welcome back, madame president. is your screen name raz lemons? >> toure, actually. >> let us know what you're thinking. >>> dysfunctional politics. last-minute short-term finishes. is washington turning in to brussels on the potomac? that's scary. u
but that's part of what sunk susan rice and making the hague el issue much more complicated. we have to just put a name out and rather than floating them for weeks. >> gives democrats a chance to get in there. doubly hurtful. i hope that chuck hagel is asked why he refused to designate hezbollah as a terrorist organization. >>> while we're on the topic of the president's cabinet, secretary of state hillary clinton back at work today. she was out for almost a month with a stomach...
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we thought on the susan rice nomination for secretary of state. he pulled the name back. the president signaling i want my team. i want my guys and willing to take bruises along the way and he thinks he will get them in the end. >> ashleigh, if you down size the pentagon politically, and that's what the president is going to do, it's not a bad idea the republicans think to have the republican at the helm because they're called soft on defense, et cetera, et cetera. when you're down sizing, have a republican lead the way. >> it makes for easier politics in some respects. let's switch to mr. brennan. this is another interesting choice and a lot of people have a lot of good things to say about john brenna. however, gler yeah, the n nomination process is problematic. the cv sounds terrific. when's the problem? >> i actually think that brennan will have a much easier time than chuck hagel. i think there are questions about how he felt about enhanced interrogation techniques as we call them, otherwise known as torture, during the bush administration. >> he didn't particularly d
we thought on the susan rice nomination for secretary of state. he pulled the name back. the president signaling i want my team. i want my guys and willing to take bruises along the way and he thinks he will get them in the end. >> ashleigh, if you down size the pentagon politically, and that's what the president is going to do, it's not a bad idea the republicans think to have the republican at the helm because they're called soft on defense, et cetera, et cetera. when you're down...
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the president essentially walked away from susan rice. why does he want this fight? >> it's a great political idea on his behalf. if there's a big fight over this defense pick, it's going to be between republicans. right? republicans are in disarray on a number of issues. speaker boehner just survived a confidence vote that was a little bit dicier than we originally thought. there's a disagreeance on spending and a bunch of other issues. there's disagreements on defense. there's some new republicans who say, hey, we've got to stop this kind of knee network promilitary, pro interventionism out there. those people really like chuck hagel. there's other republicans who really hate chuck hagel. let this fight be between republicans i'm thinking is what barack obama is looking at. >> chuck hagel has managed to make people e iing jewish group rights groups. as he put it, i'm a united states senator. i'm not an israeli senator. he called a nominee for ambassador openly aggressively gay. he did apologize for that. that happened some time ago. and said he misspoke. but, perry
the president essentially walked away from susan rice. why does he want this fight? >> it's a great political idea on his behalf. if there's a big fight over this defense pick, it's going to be between republicans. right? republicans are in disarray on a number of issues. speaker boehner just survived a confidence vote that was a little bit dicier than we originally thought. there's a disagreeance on spending and a bunch of other issues. there's disagreements on defense. there's some new...
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rice now out of the running. the question, do we have enough bench of women. the cabinet positions, it's long hours, my intern went over to the white house and works 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. and for a woman would children, how do we work them so women can do them. >> megyn: and talking about this on the air yesterday, i'm a relatively young mother and i would not do a job that would require 12 and 16 hours a day regularly. i'd never see my kid. women make that trade off and men, too, but women. and however, ben, look at the women in the cabinet. hillary clinton in her 60's and janet napolitano i think she's not married and you know, you can find women who could do the job who aren't necessarily young mothers, it's not like there's an absence of qualified available women out there. so why isn't he finding them? >> well, i think he's finding people he's comfortable with. and that's the problem when you make laws based on political gain. and the president did this to make minority like him and did this so women would like m
rice now out of the running. the question, do we have enough bench of women. the cabinet positions, it's long hours, my intern went over to the white house and works 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. and for a woman would children, how do we work them so women can do them. >> megyn: and talking about this on the air yesterday, i'm a relatively young mother and i would not do a job that would require 12 and 16 hours a day regularly. i'd never see my kid. women make that trade off and men, too, but women....